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Who Hijacked Reality / #570 So much fear, so much hate, why is it so hard for us to get along..

Thursday, September 22nd, 2011

 

 

Journal Entry #570

September 21st, 2011

As I live my daily life connecting with others around this planet I see displayed so much misery, hate and fear. I ask myself can we not move past this. Why is it so hard for us to just stop all this destructive behaviour? Now I realize we are all not engaging in this but it seems to be the order of the day. Fear just breeds more fear, hate breeds more hate.

Are we even capable of this change? If you are in a room with 20 people and everyone seems to be getting along all it takes is one person to change the mood of the room in a negative way. Next thing you know everyone is negative.

We seem to thrive on misery and at this point are so desensitized to it that it glosses over us.  One starving child we think we can help but when we see millions we give up.

I have talked about this many times before; the solutions will be as hard or as easy as we want them to be but the first step is to actually decide we want to change. How we do this is by identifying the obstacles to the change and deciding we are ready to move forward. We have not done this yet. We just keep trying to protect our little piece of the planet, trying to individually survive and as a strategy for the species this will not serve us well.

When the predominant activities are social in nature we are in for it. Look I have my offerings for a better world and so do others so we need to get together and work on this. It must be based in reality with achievable and realistic goals or else we are just wasting our time. Yes I realize that I have set ground rules that many will disagree with but apparently everything else out there has not worked so far so how about giving this a chance.

If it takes 10 years of my life or the life’s of others to hash our way through this it will have been 10 years well spent. Those years will pass by anyways so what is the problem. The problem is a desire to admit things are not working and be willing to change and this is incredibly hard for many to do.

I am under no illusion that people are listening to me but I must say my piece anyways. Of course we cannot literally affect everyone in the world directly but who knows where things can go. If I do nothing then nothing will happen.

I offer this;

We need people to represent humanity not countries, cultures, races or other interests that are counter to the betterment of the species. We need a plan but most importantly we need people to listen. There is a slim to nil chance of this happening anytime soon as we are still at our tribal war stage but this will be part of the process to move away from the legacies of our ancestors. We are there technically as a beginning to great things but our state of mind is still stuck in our barbaric past. Slowly we are recognizing our mistakes and there are those trying to affect change but it will not work until we fundamentally change our belief systems.

I am willing are you.

 Seek the truth always

Gary David Currie

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Who Hijacked Reality / #567 Rarely do we want to hear the truth.

Sunday, September 18th, 2011

 

 

Journal Entry #567

September 18th, 2011

·         Gary David Currie

 

I am constantly amazed at the arguments I hear from people on any number of topics. I am sure I will probably sound arrogant here but people just don’t seem to want to accept the truth on most matters, issues or topics. I have stated this before but many things are just plain obvious and still people refuse to accept them. The latest argument I keep hearing is just another version of the same argument I keep hearing, “The argument from ignorance.”

An example;

The problem is that you don’t know anything is true. You have a working hypothesis (that everything you experience is true, except for the stuff you think isn’t true) and you seem content to live with that.

Interestingly, those who believe in God hold a similar position. They experience God every day and seem quite happy with that.

You defined truth as: ‘all that is, all that is real, all that is factual, all that is reality.’

For the religiously inclined, God is real and factual, and present in reality. Your position and theirs is basically the same.

But you do the same thing. You use logic and reason in most areas of your life, but you accept without question that what your perceptions are real. It’s exactly the same thing.

Your claim that those who believe they are living in the presence of a creator are mistaken is matched by your claim that your perceptions are correct, which is equally as flawed.

Faith is simply the expression of the inability to provide verifiable proof. The same verifiable proof is missing when it comes to our experiences of the world. The world you believe to be real may be as illusory as the God believed in by the faithful.

 

An example of my response and if you need more the few previous blog posts I have covered this;

 I do not accept without question, I question all the time. Look this game can go on forever and I have made my case which you are actually proving by continuing to engage in speculation.

You are playing the “what if” game and in this game there is no end and no beginning, If you read my article I covered this well. There can always be an objection but I believe at some point we must reach a conclusion or we just will continue to dwell in fantasy. That is really all there is. We can keep talking fantasy or accept a reasonable shared definition of reality.

I cannot prove a negative and anything in the unknown is a negative. Again it is probabilities or best guess. You sound like you want absolutes and guarantees which do not happen.

I see this argument over and over and really I answered all your questions in my article, your choice to accept or not. It will not change what is true as I am either right or I am wrong on this matter.

 

We all seem to think we have got it right, that we know what is best but the truth is that most of us don’t know what is best and we are listening to the wrong people, I know what I am writing here and have been writing about in my recent posts will seem trivial and boring to most and many will disagree but as of yet not one person has proven me wrong on this.  

I keep asking this fundamental question and people keep going off into speculation land to disagree with it by saying that you can never prove anything  for sure or you don’t really know, You can’t prove that god doesn’t exist. You can’t prove you are absolutely right, for all you know reality could be what I think it is, reality is different for me than it is for you, you have faith just like everyone else in something.

I am fully aware I will not be popular, people will not listen to me and very few if any will agree but I do believe that what I present is grounded in its reason and logic, I have carefully thought this through trying to falsify it myself many times and have made several adjustments along the way but at this point this simplistic message I present is solid.

Here it is once again;

Truth- all that is, all that is real, all that is part of reality and all that is factual.

How we determine what is true based on a shared accepted point of reference we call reality. – Verification through the method of the scientific process, reason and logic.

I believe that we cannot verify anything 100% as doubt can always be cast however small so we work on a system of probabilities, best guess and beyond reasonable doubt to say that we know something is true.

We should never believe anything in the unknown to be true until it is verified as known. We can speculate, imagine and engage in fantasy thinking but must always come back to our base of reality. The unknown should not be used as an argument to dispute the known or another unknown as this is just pure speculation.

For every question there can only be one answer that is true.

Once something is known it is no longer up for debate there is only acceptance or ignorance.

There is only truth based on my definition.

The truth will remain the truth no matter what we think our try and do to it, we are powerless over it and yet it is what gives us our power.

Something is either true or it is not even if we do not know if it is true or not.

This is the simple, well maybe not simple message I keep repeating in various forms and people just don’t want to hear it. I am a person who sees things in true or false as to me the grey area can be broken down to this as well. My breakdown of things is offensive to many as it challenges long held ideals and challenges comfort zones in many. Very few have actually taken the time to truly understand what I present before they knee jerk their reaction. The only arguments I have seen so far against this all rely on the unknown to confirm them and to me this is no argument at all. Does this mean I am absolutely right? The answer is obvious if you take the time to understand what I have proposed.

I think what I have offered here and I am probably not the only one is vital to humanities understanding of what truth is and as I have said the truth is all we have. To deny what is true is insanity and yet it happens all the time.  This is fundamental, vital and important for humanity but I fear that it will just be the way I see things and stay that way. If I am right it will prevail eventually as it must for it will be true.

You know if I could just get people to listen before they jumped to conclusions and we started off with all the things we can find that we agree on we would see that the methods we use really are not that different after all and only diverge when it comes to something that must circumvent the methods of science or else it will be falsified.  If we could just apply logic and reason to those beliefs as well we could actually arrive at the truth.

THERE IS ONLY TRUTH

Seek the truth always

Gary David Currie

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Who Hijacked Reality / #566 Mind games, people just love to play them.

Saturday, September 17th, 2011

 

 

Journal Entry #566

September 17th, 2011

We just love to play those mind games.

As humanity has evolved and become self aware this has often presented many problems as well as offered many solutions to life. A basic problem I see is that with ability to see beyond the moment in the moment, in other words to envision the unknown we often lose track of what is known as the basis for reality. We go off into imagination land, speculation land, the game of “what ifs” and the world of fantasy as our guide in life. While it is vital to have a healthy imagination as this helps us in so many ways we don’t have to use this as a tool to mind fuck others.

I see this so often in discussions where people will just not give an inch and bring the conversation back to reality. You see when arguing from a position of speculation or fantasy it will become endless as there will always be another thing to imagine and people use this to never concede or settle a point. This allows one to not accept reality on realities terms and continue to speculate until all possibilities are exhausted which of course will never happen in the land of what ifs.

Basically I am saying that at times we are too smart for our own good as we do not know when to stop when it comes to speculation. Next thing you know we are believing the fantasies we have created as true, then we are creating more fantasies to justify the initial ones and the game never ends. At some point we need to come back to reality.

Let me give you an example; if I take the last thing I said here we can go from there. What is reality is anything really real? For all I know we could be just part of a giant intelligent computer game and that computer could be inside another computer game all inside my imagination.

So this is all possible but not probable based on what we know and that is the key ingredient here, what we do know. Now what we do know as I have said many times before is not absolute but the best guess we have so far and we need to accept this until there is a better guess.

In accepting this so many things we believe to be true will immediately be rendered false or we can just keep going and go down the road of fantasy. If you do not accept reality then you will continually be playing mind games, let me break it down.

The truth is always easier to talk about as when you talk with lies you are continually trying to cover up and justify each lie with another lie. This will eventually if not sooner break down as reality dictates this, so the basis for reality and reality itself actually tries to bring us back from fantasy.

Have you ever tried to tell a lie and then realized that your lie would be exposed so you cover it up with another lie and then keep going. The odds are that this will fall into itself at some point so why do it when it is much easier to just tell the truth in the first place.

Mind games are not healthy if used to justify a lie as the truth and we need to acknowledge this as a species.

Seek the truth always

Gary David Currie

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Who Hijacked Reality / #565 The known and the unknown.

Friday, September 16th, 2011

 

 

Journal Entry #565

September 16th, 2011

I really don’t know how many ways I can say this without starting to repeat myself;

If you justify a belief in the unknown as true without any good evidence until you can prove it with verifiable evidence it must be taken as false. If we know something to be true it should be accepted as true. What we know leads to finding out what we don’t know but in the process we must accept what we know as true and until verified the unknown must be accepted as not true.

  • I posted this and a small sample of the discussion from it. It really is the same excuse that is being offered over and over again without any verification. So many things are accepted as true that are really unknown. Often what is known will refute what is taken as true that is unknown but people just refuse to listen, to accept reality in favour of what they want to be true. I see this over and over. Doesn’t matter what I say or believe same for you a fact will still remain a fact.
  • Once we know something there is no need to speculate, no need for faith we then do one of 2 things.

Gary David Currie …………………Once something is known it is no longer up for debate there is only acceptance or ignorance.

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Mark …………….No, Gary, nothing is ever known or proven, but ideas can be disproven. Study Karl Popper, the philosopher of science.

Its one’s religion that is generative of these other things, so by addressing religion, I am addressing the presupposition basis for these other things.

William………………… No one knows when they do someone will be handing out universes for party favours, But we all have to believe in something, at least I have never heard anybody seriously advocate belief in nothing, you just have to go with what makes you comfortable, after all that’s what we do

Gary David Currie………….. You guys really don’t get this do you. Let me be blunt here. When I say know it means a very high probability base on our acceptance of what we determine to be reality. Maybe some of you are ok with living in speculation land where nothing is known but I am not. Again this is the only way people can believe in something that is not known as true is by professing this type of notion all the time. I accept reality on realities terms whether it is real or not because that is all we have right now. So, many things are known whether you want to accept this or not. For example it is known that Obama is the president of the USA. If you think this is not known based on how I described know then you are not accepting reality.

People you cannot justify your beliefs in unknowns by saying everything is unknown that is just not how it works.

William ……………That’s what I said whatever makes you comfortable, but whatever makes you comfortable is yours, and has nothing to do with what makes me comfortable, nor should it. Personally I have a different standard of proof that’s all.

Mark  … nothing is ever known or proven, but ideas can be disproven.

 

Gary: …cannot justify your beliefs in unknowns…

 

For you to *disprove* my religion to me, you would need to find mystics, of higher credibility than the ones that I follow, to disprove it.

Gary David Currie…………… Mark you fail to realize that you are the one with the burden of proof. I am not supposed to disprove your claim you are supposed to prove it and if you cannot then it will be considered false. Look like I said if you guys want o live in the land of speculation knock yourself out but it will be considered not true until it is proven true even if you believe it to be true.

 

William you say you have a different standard of proof and this is fine but does it work on all things if not then how can it be a standard of proof? I would love to hear it as I have asked many for a different method than what science and reason offers. This method must be able to be applied to everything or else it is not a standard just a justification for what one wants to be true.

Gary David Currie…………… Mark I do not have a belief in unknowns as true until the unknown is verified it is just a speculation of what might be not what is.

Mark………. “‎Gary David Currie: …you are the one with the burden of proof. “ 

 

No, you are the one claiming that I am in the ‘land of speculation’. You are the claimant on that one.

 

>gdc: … supposed to prove it …

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I gave an unchallenged proof several threads ago.

Just because you ignored it, doesn’t make it invalid.

Gary David Currie….. Mark I just get to the point with you where I feel like saying whatever. If I say something is black you will say it is white, you really are incredibly difficult to have a discussion with. I feel like I am talking with a teenager trying to prove himself. What are you trying to prove here? It is like a discussion where people say I know you are but what am I and I really have better things to do. Much better things.

Travis…., people can do whatever they like (finding it acceptable to believe something based on faith versus evidence – that is, facts found in reality that support a substantiated idea and/or belief).

 

For example, there are trillions of star…s (like the sun) and trillions, perhaps billions (for the sake of argument) – billions of planets which orbit these stars – increasing the potential for ‘life’ to develop.

 

Thus, I consider the belief in ‘alien intelligence’ or the possibility of alien races to be very high.. That is, the possibility leans ever more towards probability… I find that to be a substantiated belief, although it could be that no other intelligent life exists – i find that statement to have a low possibility based on the higher probability that there is.

 In short, people can believe or make-up whatever they want – to believe… but, such unsubstantiated beliefs, without the merit of evidence, are ‘presented without evidence and should be dismissed without evidence’ by any rational agent.

Gary David Currie.. EXACTLY..

This really is all there is folks;

“There is no truth without evidence” — Socrates

Seek the truth always

Gary David Currie

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Who Hijacked Reality / #564 Are we asking the right questions?

Thursday, September 15th, 2011

 

 

Journal Entry #564

September 15th, 2011

Every once in awhile I find that I need to step back and ask myself am I asking the right questions. I see this not only in myself but others as we get going on an issue, topic or belief we hold dear telling people why we think we are right and why they are wrong.

Maybe we are and maybe we need to take pause in this massive public discourse which the internet has allowed us to engage in and refocus. You know the old example of a ship plotting its course and sailing away but if the course is just off a little the end result will be much further off so one must have a system of checks and balances along the way to adjust the course. I don’t see too much if any of this happening, don’t get me wrong I am probably just as guilty as anyone else of doing this.

I am also not implying that I know what those questions should be but I do think we have enough intelligent people on this planet that we can figure this out but I will give my humble offerings here in my blog;

I do believe humanity is at a stage where we can understand the implications of most of our actions. We have focused on basic issues of survival and answering the big questions like who, what, how, when and where we fit in to the universe but is this enough?

Let me start off with a thought;

It would seem probable based on the beliefs systems off the world that at some point some form of a deity will appear. We have held many of these beliefs in one form or another for a long time and they influence many of the events in humanities daily life’s so what questions should we ask around this?

How will we know when the deity has revealed itself?

Who will represent humanity at this time?

Why is it that the deity has not revealed itself so far?

Will our report to this deity be a positive one?

What will happen to humanity at this point?

Will the deity be willing to answer our questions and help us or will the deity be here to dictate to us?

Who will be our leaders that we feel will best represent us at this time?

Now it would also seem probable based on reason and science that and advanced alien civilization will be discovered or they will discover us at some point or we will discover life that is not as advanced as us at some point. This of course is dependent on the human race not becoming extinct. Based on what we know it is also probable the life is a rare thing in the universe as evident in our own solar system and the fact that at this time we are as far as we know alone in the universe. What will our questions be at this time?

How we will be viewed by a superior alien species?

What kind of new questions will this open up for humanity?

How will we treat an alien species either way?

Will this fill a need we have to be connected?

Will we be willing to listen and be receptive to change?

How will they treat us?

Who will be our leaders that we feel will best represent us at this time?

To me based on how humanity views the world these are 2 outcomes that are possible for our future, Of course there are more but as we cannot go back into the past as we look forward this is where we as a species I see ourselves headed. Now which outcome is more likely will be based on each individuals base for truth and this is where we are now lost in this discussion.

Now this is a discussion we must have and that I am glad we are having, I certainly do not like when it goes beyond discussion into negative actions but I do believe this is also part of the process.

I would hope at some point we can set up a group of people who will represent all of humanity but be willing to be open-minded and have a few basic goals in mind. That this group would be willing to set aside their bias and truly listen to others to offer what will truly be best for us all. This group must also be willing to justify their decisions with good reasons. I would hope they are heading towards the best possible outcome for us all and not the worst.

I think the question “are we asking the right questions” is a good question to start with.

Seek the truth always

Gary David Currie

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