Journal Entry # 256
November 16th, 2010
The one thing that is great about writing a blog centered around the theme of reality is that as long as religion is around I will always have great material. Religion to me is like Sarah Palin is to comedy
After a few long debates yesterday I was about to go to bed when I noticed a post on Face book. It was a link about woman being submissive to their husbands as biblically commanded. I just had to read this silliness. I read the article and then commented. What ensued was very comical indeed. Rather than get serious as a Christian woman was arguing in favour of this I just thought let’s have some fun. There are times when the lunacy of religion just cannot be taken seriously.
htt://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/magazine/14evangelicals-t.html?_r=2&ref=nf Read the article at least the first page.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1UH9rkzq7c&feature=related “Can We Talk” by Priscilla Shirer just to get an idea of who she is..
This really should be called can we talk to our selves.
This was the conversation mostly that ensued from this article. It was difficult to take this nonsense seriously. The things you see on Face book….
Christian ……..It comes from these verses:
Ephesians 5:22-33 Wives and Husbands
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is him…self its Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.
25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, 26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, 27 so that he might present the church to himself in splendour, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.
 28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, 30 because we are members of his body.
31 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. 33 However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.See More
Person #1…..You want this for your daughters?
Gary David Currie Exactly it seems you are OK with that. Hey this kind of stuff is in the Quran as well. Subordination the new trend for women.
Gary David Currie A good relationship has balance not submission. Once agian religion rears its ugly head. In reading this the word that popped out to me was the Devil. I still cannot grasp how people in this modern world actually believe there is a literal devil.
Gary David Currie I just figured it out GOd needs a woman to straighten him out. His advise is all from a male perspective.
Person #2 Don’t make me weigh in.
Gary David Currie We can’t make you do anything. According to this only a husband can.
Christian……..Let me make some comments, though.
1) The previous verses say this about believers:
18…. be filled with the Spirit, 19 addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, 2…0 giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, 21 submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.
a) we are to submit to one another, male and female
2) Note verses 25-29….the hubby’s responsibility to his wife.
Please note that hubbies are to love their wives as Christ loved the church….He sacrificed Himself in love for the church (you, of course, have to believe this…which you don’t). So the hubby is to sacrifice himself…give himself up…for his wife.
I think the hubby has the harder job.
3) The concept is one of leadership. The leadership of the Xtn church is male and, thus, so would be the Xtn marriage.
Gary David Currie So you submit do you? Because my wife sure doesn’t and I would not want her that way. I married her because she was independent not because I needed a pet.
Gary David Currie…. It said questions so I asked…
Person #1…….# the act of submitting, yielding, or surrendering
# the quality or condition of being submissive; resignation; obedience; meekness
Christian…….And, yes… I would hope this for my daughters. Both of them would rule the world if they could. This scripture application can only help them in their marriages. Believe me, it is not easy to do.
I have a theory…that God gave us… these truths because they are the opposite of what a man or woman are inclined to do. Men are self-centered, and women want to (and are capable) of running a home in a leadership position. Thus, the balancing out of tendencies.
Remember, this is NOT door-matting. AND…many men have been abusive and treated ‘their’ women as property. BAD…and NOT Biblical. They are to “lay their lives down.”
Gary David Currie Submission, Also a film Theo Van Gogh was killed over and now Ayaan Hirsi Ali has to have constant bodyguards over.
Christian………….you shouldn’t say “praise Jesus”, dude. You don’t mean it
Person #1………..do you not see any hypocrisy in hoping this for your daughters with “them ruling the world”
Gary David Currie …Really because the highest divorce rate in the country is in the Christian community.
Well at least you called your religion a theory. That is excellent. What does god know about women he hasn’t even ever been with one. There is no MRS. GOD.
Person #3……….this is EXACTLY the kind of fundamentalist crap that keeps thinking folks from taking them seriously. All of that BUNK had to do with the traditions of the day. If you believe that shit then women cannot open their mouth at mass and must keep their head covered as well. You cannot pick and choose and be expected to be taken seriously. Grow up and out of the cave……….
Christian…….LOL…this post is CRAZY! When I was first typing I was the only one.
Person #2……OMG, Laughing my ass off!
Gary David Currie I have had way too many serious debates tonight. I just want to have some fun. I can’t get serious about this it is jut way too silly. Were long past fighting for the right to vote.
Person #1……..and I quote: 22:36 “[Jesus], which is the great commandment in the law?” And he said to him, ’You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.”
hmmm nothing about submissive women, gays, abortion or war in there now is there?
Christian……..@ Gary, Re: ” So you submit do you? Because my wife sure doesn’t and I would not want her that way. I married her because she was independent not because I needed a pet.”
1) Boy…you don’t know me.
2) I am a brassy broad with a big mouth…
3) I attempt to submit to my hubby in as many ways as I can each day. I fail at half of them.
4) Does it mean I am meek and quiet? My kids would laugh at that…so would my hubby.
5) My hubby and I work together in most things. If there is a disagreement, I attempt to defer to him, unless he’s just being freakin’ selfish. Then I’ll tell him to blow it out his ear.
6) Independent….yes…too much so.
7) “PET”??? Blow it out your ear, Gary.
Person #1…..it just occurred to me that using Biblical verse to prove the existence of God is a lot like using a Anne Rice novel to prove the existence of vampires
@ Gary… Re: “Well at least you called your religion a theory.”
Christian……I DID NOT. I said I had a theory, dufus.
Gary David Currie Agreed I tell them this kind of thing all the time but they never listen good analogy though I might use this. also this topic will be great for my post tomorrow. The submission thing. it is a staple in Islam. Thanks
Gary David Currie Like I said I was having fun but it is a theory none the less. I will quote you on that…
, there you go with the names again. and you still haven’t really answered why the submission. in fact, it seems you have provided more reasons not to buy into it.
Gary David Currie Oh maybe I should get my wife a Burka.. I wonder how many colors and styles the come in.
Back to the article we were referring to. A quote from it. Yet Shirer avoids using words like “feminist” or “career woman” to describe herself. She is an evangelical Bible teacher who makes her living by guiding thousands of women through the study of Scripture in her books, videos and weekend conferences — in which she stresses that in a biblical home and church, the man is the head and the woman must submit.
Now on a serious note women have fought hard to have equality so why would anyone want to go back into the dark ages. Christianity is not the only religion to command submission Islam takes it to a whole new level.
Theo van Gogh/Ayaan Hirsi Ali: “Submission” pt 1
The Islamic world was so upset by this film that Theo Van Gogh was murdered for making it And Ayaan Hirsi Ali is undrr constant protection for her life because she was said to be next. All this because they brought to light this barbaric custom in Islam.
So why would Christians want to bring this ideal to the forefront of their religion? Come on This only proves how barbaric religion really is and why we need to challenge it until things are changed. My goal in this post was to bring this issue to light. You either know how wrong this is or you are part of the church having to submit.. Or you are just into this sort of thing.