Journal Entry #457

May 30th, 2011

This is a link to all the major arguments for and against god.

http://legacy.lclark.edu/~ndsmith/god_arguments.htm

ARGUMENTS ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OF GOD AND RELIGIOUS BELIEF

If you are a believer all the arguments that support your claim are weak and not sound. It basically boils down to one argument and that is the argument from ignorance which basically says until you can prove me wrong 100% I will fill in the blank with what I want to and that is my god.

I will present an argument from Anselm;

Anselm,

In this argument he states only a believer can accept the premise of this arguments,

It is not the premise that is logical but the argument itself once you have accepted the premise

Anselm argument for the definition of god…

God is something that which nothing greater can be thought

So god exists in the understanding

But to exist in actuality would be greater than existing only in the understanding

Thus god (because nothing greater can be thought) must exist in actuality

To conclude otherwise is to violate the definition of god

Now let’s change the word god;

Anselm,

In this argument he states only a believer can accept the premise of these arguments,

It is not the premise that is logical but the argument itself once you have accepted the premise

Anselm argument for the definition of Nagrom…

Nagrom is something that which nothing greater can be thought

So Nagrom exists in the understanding

But to exist in actuality would be greater than existing only in the understanding

Thus Nagrom (because nothing greater can be thought) must exist in actuality

To conclude otherwise is to violate the definition of Nagrom…………

So does this change anything? Yes it does. You see the problem with all these arguments is that we have a predetermined idea of what god is and this completely changes the flow and outcome of the argument. It is not about the argument being logical or sound it is about god and the believer has already made up their mind.

We must acknowledge what we do know and not accept as true what we do not know. There is not one sound argument for any of the gods of man in fact they are so weak that once the terminology is changed we can see the truth if we are willing.

Again I must stress that the burden of proof is always on the one making the claim and once an argument has been refuted it should not be used as credible again but they still do because they will not acknowledge that they have been refuted. So forget logic and reason here I only see one argument as I have said before and that is the argument from ignorance. Look it up.

Seek the truth always

Gary David Currie