Journal Entry #577

September 29th, 2011

Now the person I was having this discussion with is upset that I take these discussions and put them in my blog and yet they are aware I do this. I present the entire context of the discussion as to not show bias so people can make up their own minds. Most of the time I do not use full names but there are exceptions.  Now besides that it’s my blog go ahead and rip me apart in your own blog. The idea is to make it as interesting as I can for my readers.

What amazes me is when someone tells me something like it is true and fact on the internet as if I cannot immediately verify what they are presenting. Come on people in this day and age you better be able to back up what you say with good evidence.  

Now I am no scientist but I would hope that I have a working knowledge of the basics so when I see people try and use science to back up their faith and immediately there are flaws I realize we are going to get nowhere until they get educated so that means we are going to get nowhere.

I will let the discussion speak for itself; Now he said he would renounce god if I could prove evolution which is not hard at all but of course he is not going to do that in fact he covered his ass in his mind by calling it adaption which he agrees with.

The video I posted to start it off……..

httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YL1ClR9guA4

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Michael ………… OH really don’t tell me you believe in Evolution….haha next joke..!!

Gary David Currie……… Michael, with that comment I can just see the flow of the discussion and will not waste my time.

Michael………….  Is it not amazing that I am about to give you Scientific evidence to disprove Evolution….and you chicken out ..FIGURES

Michael…….But answer these questions anyway…1st) The theory on Evolution by Dawrwin was based on the study of 3 finches..the length of their Beaks…It has since then been Scientifically proven that the length of their beaks had nothing to do with …Evolution but rather adaptation..according to the amount of water in the Area…2nd) Scientific research shows that the Earth’s crust is not strong enough to last more than 10,000 years with the pressure of the oil under the surface at 32,000 lbs per square inch.. 3rd) Scientific study has confirmed that the Moon is moving away from the Earth at 50ft per annum…if this is so and the Earth is as old as the Evolutionists say it is, we would have been swamped by massive waves from the sea a long time ago…4th). Scientific research shows that Earth is in a state of gradual decline and not growing which would support the Evolution theory..now if you can prove Evolution…I will renounce God..and we are not talking ADAPTATION but Evolution….and on that i AM GOING TO GYM….speak to you later..

Gary David Currie………. Michael evolution is well established as a fact. This is a fool’s argument that I have had too many times. Let’s keep science and religion separate on this one. They are not compatible. Please keep your god it is what gives your life meaning..

Michael…………. Gary….Please tell me WHERE I have used Religion in this argument…I have used Scientific evidence, to disprove evolution…but once again..when you are in a corner you have no answers..!!

Gary David Currie…………. Ok Michael we can go there but first a few things.

What you have done is called a loaded argument you have picked a few things you see as facts in the overall discipline and asked for verification. It doesn’t work that way. Even if you were right on all accounts it will not change the vast amount of verifiable proof that supports the theory.. I will then address you questions..

Now I will talk with you but first we need to establish a few things so I know we are on the same page.

1. Please explain to me what you think evolution actually is? Often I find in these discussions that people really have no idea so I want to be clear on this.

2. Tell me what you think a theory is in the scientific world.

3. You did not directly use religion I will agree but that will be the assumption for those who disagree that evolution is true. It will go there as the only reason I have seen for people to deny it is to then be able to offer their creation story as the real answer. My bad I assumed.

4. I am not even close to being in a corner but I find that people just don’t listen to the facts here so it is usually a huge waste of my time. I don’t care if you agree but I ask that you understand before you disagree. If you are a proponent of ID I am well aware of what it is.

 

We can start here if you are willing otherwise I will be wasting my time.

Michael………. Gary…firstly a Theory is an unproven Fact…which is exactly what the theory of Evolution is…2ndly…I have only given you a few examples of Scientific fact that disproves evolution..there are many books written by many Scientists disproving Evolution…and to say that even if I was right on all accounts…well Science ends all assumption….don’t you agree..so if it is Scientifically proven, then your theory on Evolution is wrong…and my Sky daddy then exists..and lastly what are my thoughts on Evolution..its a theory..I believe in Adaptation…not evolution..!!

Gary David Currie…………. Ok Michael this is why I asked you these questions. Let’s start here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheoryTheory  - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

en.wikipedia.org

The English word theory was derived from a technical term in Ancient Greek philosophy. The word theoria, θεωρία, meant “a looking at, viewing, beholding”, and referring to contemplation or speculation, as opposed to action.[1] Theory is especially often contrasted to “practice” (from Greek praxis, π…

Gary David Currie………. http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory .htmScientific Hypothesis, Theory, Law Definitions

chemistry.about.com

Learn about the difference between a scientific law, hypothesis, and theory…Yesterday at

 

Gary David Currie …………If we cannot get past this then there is no point, Doesn’t matter what you believe it is. In the scientific world and evolution is part of science the word theory is accepted as above. A proven fact.

 

There are not many books written by scientists disproving evolution there are a few if that many..

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_proof.htm Why most scientists support the theory of evolution  

www.religioustolerance.org

Why most scientists support the theory of evolution and reject creation science.

Gary David Currie………. Like I said if we cannot get past this as it is the accepted science by the scientists. then we will have a problem of terminology.

Gary David Currie………… Adaption is part of evolution Scroll down you will see it but maybe you should read a bit on what evolution is first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution#AdaptationAdaptation   – Evolution  - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

en.wikipedia.org

Gary David Currie …………….I see you refuse to answer any of my questions but want me to look at what you present. Ok I will refute one, of course Michael we are in the right place in the right time and this is what allows us to exist but you do realize that we have… experienced several ice ages and that things are constantly changing. This is definitely an accident as no other planet in our solar system enjoys this perfect zone at this time. It will be closer as the sun starts to burn our an run it course..

 

But here is the kicker to your question and renders it false we already move between 2,890,000 miles as a difference during the earth’s orbit as it is elliptical and we remain here, Again though this will not refute evolution only demonstrate that it is true.

 

Now you said. I will renounce God..and we are not talking ADAPTATION but Evolution….and on that i AM GOING TO GYM….speak to you later..talking ..http://geography.about.com/od/physicalgeography/a/orbitsun.htm

 

Michaels answer….. And after a quick glance through it does not in any way refute what I said about the distance…in fact it confirms that it is constant in its orbit whether being closer or further away at any particular time..

 

Gary David Currie……… Quote from Michael …>Another small thing Science has proven is that even though the Sun is Billions of miles away….if it were 1 mile closer we would burn to death…and 1 mile further… away we would freeze to death….now surely anyone… with a bit of savvy…must understand that it is impossible to be an accident…come on Gary…>

WOW

What I posted completely disproves what you just said, Michael you told me you were someone who seeks the truth, an independent thinker but so far you have not demonstrated this. I CAN SEE NOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT I OFFER YOU IT WILL BE TWISTED IN YOUR FAVOUR IN YOUR MIND. YOU WILL NOT ACCEPT VALID SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE SO YOUR CHALLENGE IS A FARCE, COME BACK WHEN YOU ARE READY TO BE SERIOUS..

So as we can see no matter what I will say or offer when one fits the evidence into the belief and not the other way around it will not work. This is intellectual dishonesty at its finest.

Michael said just 1 mile either way and I’ll bet he had no idea that the earth was even in an elliptical orbit as he probably thought it was a perfect circle because god created it. I think I verified that it was beyond 1 mile and we are still fine.

Christian dishonesty

Seek the truth always

Gary David Currie