Posts Tagged ‘evidence’

Who HIjacked Reality / #600 Evidence, evidence and more verifiable evidence, people evidence is vital in discovering what is true.

Sunday, October 23rd, 2011

 

 

Journal Entry #600

October 24th, 2011

First let me say that as you can see this is my 600th article on my blog. I think this is pretty impressive that I have stuck with it in both consistency and content. I don’t get paid for this although it would be nice someday and thanks to all who have read anything I have written.

Now to the topic at hand; Evidence and most importantly verifiable, credible evidence is the key to discovering what is true. When you apply the evidence to the credible testing method of science and reason we can often arrive at a conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt but so many ignore this during daily life from their beliefs to just dealing with the moment.

An example to get my point across;

This picture was posted on Face Book.

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In Boston, Veterans For Peace formed a human chain around protesters to stop the police from arresting and beating the demonstrators. In retaliation, the Boston Police beat these veterans and arrested some as well. Share this image if you are anywhere near as appalled as I am.

Now some of the comments…

- outrage … as a vet I am now ready to march with them!

-  Absolutely appalling!!

- Looks like it is time for the rest of America to help the Boston PD to take the polar bear plunge. Maybe it will clear their minds.

- violation of the first amendment

- This worries me. A country that beats its Veterans will be beaten as well!

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Ok these type of comments went on for a while as most thought it was directly pertaining to the Occupy movement happening now until someone posted this;

………The above picture can be found in an 11-12-2007 Boston Globe article. It was from a Veterans Day event and the veterans gagged themselves as part of their protest….

Guess what the comments still continued and the person posted it again and then again and finally with the link to the actual article and still people ignored what they
were saying despite the evidence

http://veteransforpeaceactions.blogspot.com/2007/11/veterans-arrested-on-veterans-day-in.html
Veterans Arrested on Veterans Day in Boston

So before anyone jumped to any conclusions they should have gotten their facts straight, asked some questions and engaged in some critical thinking but most don’t bother. We see this all the time when it comes to peoples’ beliefs and in daily activities. How SAD…

Even when the evidence clearly disputes what people believe they ignore it. I see this all the time from believers in everything from gods to ancient astronauts to Bigfoot when despite no verifiable evidence, broad speculation, self verifying evidence people again ignore the process of verifying evidence and continue to believe what they want to. That would be fine but then they tell everyone else about it and soon you have a bunch of people believing in the same nonsense.

I have to tell you that in my opinion this makes those people stupid.

stu·pid

1. Slow to learn or understand; obtuse.

2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.

3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless

 

What else can it be if you ignore evidence that verifies what you believe is not true or you jump to conclusions? I am not trying to insult anyone  just demonstrate the result of refusing to base decisions on verifiable evidence or to even take the time to gather the evidence before rendering a conclusion.

 

EVIDENCE IS WHAT WE USE TO ARRIVE AT A CONCLUSION SO IT BETTER BE CREDIBLE AND VERIFIABLE OR ELSE YOU ARE JUST LYING TO YOURSELF.

Seek the truth always

Gary David Currie

 

Who Hijacked Reality / #250 What would be credible evidence that god exists?

Thursday, November 11th, 2010

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 Journal Entry # 250

November 11th, 2010

During my conversations I explain to people that the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. If you claim that your god is real I would like to see the proof.  Now of course they try hard to give me some in the form of testimonials, miracles they have witnessed and even attempts at logical proofs. The bible is often quoted as the ultimate proof for god’s existence. This is circular logic which I have explained in other posts, when all this fails they quickly try to put the burden of prove back to me. I have no problem with this as I am aware that they really have no evidence.

Once we exhaust this approach the next tactic is ; what kind of evidence do you need to convince you that god exists? Here is my response.

First of all the evidence presented has to be testable and verifiable. This of course would only be a start.

I would accept examples of;

Pieces of Noah’s Ark that are verifiable. It does not have to be the entire ark just enough to prove it was real. Just like evolution cannot be demonstrated in its entirety but there is more than enough to verify it as credible.

Jesus or god showing up in front of me right now or anytime and then allowing me a way to verify to others and myself that they were actually there.

An amputee praying for his arm to grow back to god and then the arm growing back. This event must happen more than once and be verifiable by credible sources.

God showing up verifying he is god and then performing a verified miracle on a large scale.

Angels coming down and verifying they are angels.

Why should I accept anything else that is not verifiable or testable as evidence? If there is no proof then even though it might be true, based on all the evidence that disputes the claim there is no good reason to believe it as true.

Now so many others do not require this evidence. They will believe what fits into their desires to be true. This then leads to so many problems as now to keep up the charade and be eligible for the benefits the believer now has to follow the chosen rules of the religion. The books that are followed today, the bible, The Quran and others are dangerous. I urge those who follow religions to actually step back and require proper evidence the same way they do for everything else in their lives.

This list has been around awhile but is worth repeating. It requires exactly the opposite of what I look for in evidence

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http://theagitatedatheist.blogspot.com/2007/10/top-ten-signs-that-you-are.html

Top Ten Signs That You Are An Unquestioning Christian:

10- You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of your god.

9- You feel insulted and ‘dehumanized’ when scientists say that people evolved from lesser life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8- You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Trinity god.

7- Your face turns purple when you hear of the ‘atrocities’ attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in ‘Exodus’ and ordered the

elimination of entire ethnic groups in ‘Joshua’—including women, children, and animals!

6- You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about god sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who

got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5- You are willing to spend your life looking for little loop-holes in the scientifically established age of the Earth (4.55 billion years), but you find

nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by pre-historic tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that the Earth is a couple of generations

old!

4- You believe that the entire population of this planet wi th the exception of those who share your beliefs—though excluding those in all rival

sects—will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet you consider your religion the most ‘tolerant’ and ‘loving’.

3- While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor, speaking in ‘tongues,’ may be all the evidence you need.

2- You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1- You actually know a lot less than many Atheists and Agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history—but still call yourself a “Christian.”

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Evidence for God.

Although many are blissful in the thought of being a sheep I would like to remind them that the sheep always get eaten. Even the Sheppard probably eats the sheep he tends.

I am still waiting for the evidence that they tell me they have. I won’t be holding my breath though.

 Seek the truth always

Gary David Currie

Who Hijacked Reality / #159 Your GOD is evidence.

Friday, August 13th, 2010

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Journal Entry # 159

August 13th, 2010

In many conversations I have with believers will usually get to a point where I ask for evidence to support their claims or I will say they have no credible evidence. I hear from them that they don’t need evidence that they only need to have faith. What they are forgetting is that it is evidence that they use to get to their conclusions in the first place.

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God wants you to drink this is evidence.

Is the bible not evidence? Are any testimonials they hear not evidence? Evidence surrounds them. It is evidence that brings them to their convictions, to their faith. What they are lacking is credible evidence.  They rely on unsubstantiated evidence and then say that they do not need evidence. They also say that the evidence I present does not matter because they have faith. This is a ridiculous merry go round of logical fallacies. The difference and what they refuse to acknowledge is that I accept only credible evidence. That is evidence that can be proven to be true.

This was probably one of the most ridiculous things said to me in my conversations with the faithful

“ Because I’m asking you to give up your own personal God. EVIDENCE.”

How can evidence be a god?

god  (gd) n.

1. God

a. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

b. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.

2. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.

3. An image of a supernatural being; an idol.

4. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.

5. A very handsome man.

6. A powerful ruler or despot.

 As you can see by the definition evidence does not fall into any of these definitions. So what is evidence?

ev·i·dence (v-dns) n.

1. A thing or things helpful in forming a conclusion or judgment: The broken window was evidence that a burglary had taken place. Scientists weigh the evidence for and against a hypothesis.

2. Something indicative; an outward sign: evidence of grief on a mourner’s face.

3. Law The documentary or oral statements and the material objects admissible as testimony in a court of law.

tr.v. ev·i·denced, ev·i·denc·ing, ev·i·denc·es

1. To indicate clearly; exemplify or prove.

2. To support by testimony; attest.

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 Evidence is used to support a claim or to disprove a claim it cannot be a god. I am astonished that religious people constantly refuse the concept of evidence and yet they use it daily in their lives. It is not evidence that they have a problem with it is anything that contradicts their belief system or proves it wrong that is when they pull the faith card. True faith would be to have absolutely no evidence and then believe something to be true. If I said I have faith in deckle dingers without having any information on them or it that would be true faith.

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Also if I state I am an Atheist that means I do not believe in gods any gods so how could I have the god of evidence?

Evidence is not the problem it is only any evidence that goes against ones beliefs that is the problem because it is very hard to keep the faith when the evidence goes against it. How do you solve this problem if you are the faithful? Easy you ignore it until it goes away.

“To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy”.  David Brooks… The necessity of Atheism

Seek the truth always

Gary David Currie